tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post111948175139799179..comments2023-10-02T15:26:38.866+01:00Comments on Nog's Blog - I blog therefore I am: Contrast and compareNogbadhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04838817425838931554noreply@blogger.comBlogger18125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119615887519622922005-06-24T13:24:00.000+01:002005-06-24T13:24:00.000+01:00And as I get all my news updates from Radio 4 ther...And as I get all my news updates from Radio 4 there's been a whole half hour slot dedicated to this today on You and Yours between midday and 1.00 o'clock.Buggles Balham High Roadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09125960985736834277noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119602675289024472005-06-24T09:44:00.000+01:002005-06-24T09:44:00.000+01:00Thanks :-)Thanks :-)Nogbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04838817425838931554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119560782276012542005-06-23T22:06:00.000+01:002005-06-23T22:06:00.000+01:00The News report is available at http://www.lep.co....The News report is available at <BR/><BR/>http://www.lep.co.uk/ViewArticle2.aspx?SectionID=73&ArticleID=1064428kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13358545109794655543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119542189858695512005-06-23T16:56:00.000+01:002005-06-23T16:56:00.000+01:00I guess our common background adds to this - we al...I guess our common background adds to this - we all work with adults who, in the main, want to study but the issues around funding and top up fees are going to make it harder for people to meet the government's aspirations about lifelong learning.<BR/><BR/>Is that story online anywhere Kat? I'd like to grab it for some project work I'm doing.Nogbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04838817425838931554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119534515615562742005-06-23T14:48:00.000+01:002005-06-23T14:48:00.000+01:00The headlines in today's Lancashire Evening Post. ...The headlines in today's Lancashire Evening Post. <BR/><BR/>"5000 students lose out as adult course centres scrapped - 100 Staff Axed." <BR/><BR/>Oh what a depressing day. <BR/><BR/>On the face of it, the college I work for has actually just gained an extra 40% work but we all know that it won't make up for the cuts and the problems that are to come.kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13358545109794655543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119529546925545532005-06-23T13:25:00.000+01:002005-06-23T13:25:00.000+01:00...and something similar often happens at the lowe......and something similar often happens at the lower end of HE. I have students who clearly don't want to be doing a degree and have absolutely no commitment, but are doing it because they are expected to - by parents, peers, society...Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11647405720597546140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119529332003377592005-06-23T13:22:00.000+01:002005-06-23T13:22:00.000+01:00I don't disagree with what you are saying. I guess...I don't disagree with what you are saying. I guess what I was trying to say is that even if you are willing to work at level 1, the whole experience can be sole destroying, in a college setting. Many college tutors are trying to teach people who are being forced into college and simply don't want to be there. What is the point of that?kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13358545109794655543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119528252367778912005-06-23T13:04:00.000+01:002005-06-23T13:04:00.000+01:00It seems like a very simple, and very new Labour p...<I> It seems like a very simple, and very new Labour principle - you can give support to anyone except those who need support.</I><BR/><BR/>And sadly the groups losing out in this round are also those who have been done up like kippers in the Tax Credit fiasco.Nogbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04838817425838931554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119528167015903382005-06-23T13:02:00.000+01:002005-06-23T13:02:00.000+01:00I certainly know of staff who would be unwilling t...I certainly know of staff who would be unwilling to work at L1. They are graduates with many years of higher level courses and they simply cannot work at the basic level - as you say part of it is training but part is also that the demands at that level are so very different. <BR/><BR/>The push towards FDs in FEs also causes other staffing issues. Traditionally tutors in FE didn't need to have an formal academic qualifications but they do to work on undergraduate programmes. Thus existing staff are losing hours as the FD programmes are implemented and additional staff have to be engaged to work on them. Because of the differences in pay and respite time in FE in comparison with HE or schools it is difficult to attract and retain suitably qualified tutors for FD programmes but the pressure to run them is increasing.Nogbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04838817425838931554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119526457396204252005-06-23T12:34:00.000+01:002005-06-23T12:34:00.000+01:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13358545109794655543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119526410573777942005-06-23T12:33:00.000+01:002005-06-23T12:33:00.000+01:00I don’t think it is so much that the staff are unw...I don’t think it is so much that the staff are unwilling to work at level 1 although many including myself are not particularly trained to do so. This centre has worked at all levels and members of the community have worked together and helped each other. That’s the richness that has now been lost. Some of my level 1s are distressed and I have just consoled one young girl who was in tears because this, she says, was the first time she had been able to meet and work with others in the community, on what felt like equal terms. ( She must have spent the best part of the week writing the long note which I have put on the top of all the files. ) The governments push to work on and point out peoples weaknesses rather than their strengths will, in my opinion, be disastrous.kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13358545109794655543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119524586113965472005-06-23T12:03:00.000+01:002005-06-23T12:03:00.000+01:00The college I worked at was told that funding for ...The college I worked at was told that funding for NVQ L3 was being cut but increased at L1. In terms of sectors such as ICT this clearly reduces the progression through to the ICT FD. This is just one example and also highlights the pressures on staff - the staff who are qualified to teach at FD might be unwilling to work at L1 (or simply unable to).Nogbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04838817425838931554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119523761739859902005-06-23T11:49:00.000+01:002005-06-23T11:49:00.000+01:00It seems like a very simple, and very new Labour p...It seems like a very simple, and very new Labour principle - you can give support to anyone except those who need support.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11647405720597546140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119523375229253572005-06-23T11:42:00.000+01:002005-06-23T11:42:00.000+01:00I am at work this morning trying to do a damage li...I am at work this morning trying to do a damage limitation exercise re funding. Just over 12 months ago we were given funding for community learning. During the course of the year the goal posts have moved and narrowed so many times it is almost laughable. <BR/><BR/>6 months into the scheme we were told that we could not have funding for those over the age of 64 because they were unlikely to gain employment. Next we were told that we couldn’t have funding for those under 19 because they had been in education within the last 3 years. Then anyone who had been in education of any kind within the last 3 years. (Including taking the ECDL or CLAIT or any level one and above course) Then the big one – those who can’t achieve a certainly level i.e. those with learning difficulties or severe physical difficulties, because they too are unlikely to gain employment. Last week I was told that those already in employment shouldn’t have been on the scheme because they already had work and their employers should be training them. <BR/><BR/>I ask you. Who the hell is left? Call this community learning. <BR/><BR/>I am waiting for the next one - Those at level 2 and above did not need our support.kathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13358545109794655543noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119521587006653072005-06-23T11:13:00.000+01:002005-06-23T11:13:00.000+01:00Shortly before leaving the college I worked at I a...Shortly before leaving the college I worked at I attended an Association of Colleges meeting and it seemed clear from the LSC people there that this cut in funding is just a start and that there are likely to be big changes in who funds what in future. Given the government's dash for qualifications it seems probable that more will fall to HEFCE which may mean that sub-degree funding will become even more targetted on certain groups to the exclusion of others. Sadly there have been and always will be losers but the shifts are really stretching FE provision and it's being further squeezed by the growth in Sixth Form Academies and a rebirth of Technical Colleges albeit under a different banner and funded through LEAs rather than the LSC. Bums on seats is the name of the game and schools are moving into vocational training as well as academic provision and it's difficult to see how FE will look in five years time - their market is being eroded at the younger end and it doesn't attract funding for older students. As always the groups who will suffer the most are usually those most vulnerable.Nogbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04838817425838931554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119520040112735712005-06-23T10:47:00.000+01:002005-06-23T10:47:00.000+01:00But have you noticed how the Learning and Skills C...But have you noticed how the Learning and Skills Council always seems to have lots of highly paid executive jobs going, with mystifying job specs usually involving the words "facilitating" and "customers"?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11647405720597546140noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119518818735588472005-06-23T10:26:00.000+01:002005-06-23T10:26:00.000+01:00Good call Kat - and we've not even started on the ...Good call Kat - and we've not even started on the reduction in evening classes as local authorities find the LSC cutting funding for non-credit bearing courses.Nogbadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04838817425838931554noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13219187.post-1119490504378255922005-06-23T02:35:00.000+01:002005-06-23T02:35:00.000+01:00Funding is getting very difficult in adult educati...Funding is getting very difficult in adult education and it is tied up with getting people into employment. In some cases the education establishments have to prove that the students have gained employment. This leaves those who cannot work or who are retired right out of the picture. Can I please ask people to look at the Niace website at http://www.niace.org.uk/<BR/><BR/>Please also download and look at the Manifesto for Change. <BR/>http://www.niace.org.uk/Research/Manifesto/Manifesto.pdfkathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13358545109794655543noreply@blogger.com